Boeing 787
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Gilles
Inscrit le 27/10/2005 |
# 4 juin 2008 13:49 | |
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Bonjour, Désolé si je suis passé à côté de l'information, mais je ne trouve pas de réponse claire : il y a une date prévue pour la première mise sous tension avion ? Merci ! |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 4 juin 2008 14:29 | |
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Ben ... en Juin 2008 je crois !! de mémoire !! Ca devrait pas tarder !! Peut être une annonce pour Farnborough ! _________________ JPRS |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 4 juin 2008 18:00 | |
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Bonjour Gilles Suffisait de chercher ...! Hamilton aurait enfin livré les derniers éléments permettant le power on, avant le 30 Juin, peut être !! l'horizon du 787 s'éclaircit !! Pour cette phase du moins !!! Après .... on attends !!!! ----------- L'article ---------------------- http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-progress.html Wednesday, June 4, 2008 More progress We're only 4 days into June but there are signs of continued progress on the 787. Jon Ostrower, in his blog, reported that Saudi Arabian Airlines has committed to 12 787s in a mixture of leased and purchased aircraft. This is supposed to be a firm contract though Boeing has not said anything as of yet. See Jon's report here. Hamilton Sundstrand, who is manufacturing the power supply units for the 787 now has delivered "everything Boeing needs to turn the power on." David Hess, the President of Hamilton Sundstrand said "All the hardware and software that Boeing needs to power on is ready and in Seattle right now." Pat Shanahan promised David Hess a huge meal if Hamilton Sundstrand delivered the power supply units on time. I hope Pat has enough funds to feed these guys! The power supply units and the brake monitoring system were the only worries left. Now that the power supply is no longer an impediment to power on, it is looking more and more likely that power on can be achieved by the end of this month. I have heard rumors that there is still plenty on work left to be done on Dreamliner 1 and I've heard that Boeing may not even make the June 30th deadline. There is no specifics yet but even Pat Shanahan said that it would be a horse race to get power on by June 30th. As to the brake monitor issue. That is not needed for power on but will be absolutely necessary before Boeing takes Dreamliner 1 outside to the ramp forthe start of ground and taxi tests. No word on the resolution of that issue. Last sign of progress, one of the 747 Dreamlifters left yesterday for Nagoya, Japan. rumor has it that it is picking up the wings for Dreamliner 4 to be delivered into Everett later this week. Also later this week, ZY998, the 787 fatigue test airframe is due to be pulled out of building 40-26 at Everett and moved to the fatigue test area north of the final assembly plant. With that move, Dreamliner 2 can move up to position 3 and Dreamliner 3 can move up to position 2 to continue final assembly. This will leave the MOAB at position 1 free to accept Dreamliner 4. Currently the horizontal tail plane and the vertical tail plane (fin/rudder) are the only major parts of Dreamliner 4 in at Everett. It looks like Boeing will meet it's deadline in getting ZY998 out and starting work on Dreamliner 4 prior to June 30th. Posted by Uresh at 9:53 AM JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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Gilles
Inscrit le 27/10/2005 |
# 5 juin 2008 10:00 | |
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Merci Beochien ! Bonnes nouvelles, ça commence à prendre forme. Avec le power-on, un grand pas sera franchi vers les premiers mouvements avion, vivement le premier vol ! Quand même, quand on repense aux bobards qu'on nous servait l'an dernier, à la lumière de ce qu'on lit aujourd'hui ... |
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lequebecois
Inscrit le 11/02/2007 |
# 6 juin 2008 01:41 | |
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Le power on aurait lieu mi-juin : " Power-on, according to several 787 program sources, is targeted for the middle of this month, though Boeing has built in a buffer to utilize the entire month of June for preparations if needed. David Hess, President of Hamilton Sundstrand told a group of reporters, including FlightBlogger, visiting its Rockford, Il facility earlier this week that, "The power-on software is done and delivered, [Boeing's] got 100% of the hardware and software they need for power on. " http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fligh ... er-on.html _________________ Le bonheur est une pause entre deux emmerdes ! Adepte de la discutaille du coin du comptoir du café de la gare |
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checklist
Inscrit le 02/12/2007 |
# 7 juin 2008 01:58 | |
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60kms de cable c'est un travail énorme à réalisé en 15 jours ... ...Les 12 traveaux d'Hercule continuent !  _________________ Qui pêche par orgueuil, cour à sa perte ... |
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kaysersoeze
Inscrit le 24/08/2007 |
# 7 juin 2008 12:08 | |
| houai bon, les cables sont en faisceaux... cela reduit sensiblement le job.. | ||
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 7 juin 2008 12:38 | |
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Bonjour Si j'ai bien lu, ce sont d'abord 60 miles ... Et à vérifier, lors du power on, pas à installer ... on regarde si un signal ou une tension commandée répondent au bout de la ligne !! C'est un des objets des softs commandés chez Hamilton ... et qui d'ailleurs étaient en retard et viennent d'être livrés (tiens ... on n'en parlait pas en juin 2007) Boulot normal pour tout power on, Chez A comme B ! Bon, ca marchera ou pas RV fin du mois !! Le plus probable ...qq corrections mineures comme d'hab ... ils ont eu un an pour y réfléchir, ça devrait marcher !! Les vrais nouveaux PB, s'ils doivent apparaître, cela sera plus tard, lors des essais en vol et de fatigue ... QQ PB de lecture ou d'interprétation ... ou de structures chez nos participants !! Rappel de QQ infos déjà vues .... Parfoisvaut mieux editer !! Désolé pour ceux qui ne savent pas lire ...ou ne lisent pas l'Anglais !! ---------------- Article ........... http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fligh ... er-on.html Power-on, according to several 787 program sources, is targeted for the middle of this month, though Boeing has built in a buffer to utilize the entire month of June for preparations if needed. David Hess, President of Hamilton Sundstrand told a group of reporters, including FlightBlogger, visiting its Rockford, Il facility earlier this week that, "The power-on software is done and delivered, [Boeing's] got 100% of the hardware and software they need for power on." "I fully expect [Boeing] to achieve that milestone by the end of the month," Hess declared. According to Hamilton Sundstrand, the " full-up red label" power-on software build was delivered May 28. On the same day, Hamilton Sundstrand also delivered the first "blue label" Safety of Flight software build for additional lab testing to Boeing. The power-on software differs from the Safety of Flight software because the power-on software is only intended for us in ground testing and does not require equipment such as the engines to be installed. Hamilton Sundstrand anticipates further changes to the Safety of Flight software as it matures in preparation for first flight. The more finalized Safety of Flight software build is to be delivered to Boeing in the next 30 days. Hess added that for Hamilton Sundstrand, the pacing item continues to be software development, though progress was steady. "A month ago Boeing was pretty uncomfortable with the risk levels as they looked at our schedules as to what we had to get done. Not that we were delaying the program, but if they look out ahead of us, they had some concerns in terms of the risk levels and the amount of software work we had complete in the coming months. Now we've since had reviews with them, shown them schedules, and I think they're, and I wouldn't say comfortable, but I think we've shown them a plan that supports their program and we're executing the plan." Shanahan told reporters in mid-May that at the time he was still waiting on items from Hamilton Sundstrand for Dreamliner One. "I told my friend Mr. Hess, I'll give you the best meal you've ever had if you get [the power supply] to me by the end of June", Shanahan said of Hess. Ouaf !! 1 An de retard,, qq dizaines de millions de $ par mois, et il l'invite à déjeuner .... pour ne pas être plus en retard ...  moi je lui aurait envoyé mes lawyers .... avec l'addition !A moins que ce ne soit Boeing qui ait été incapable de fournir les specs et éléments à temps pour Hamilton Hess tells FlightBlogger that he and Shanahan had been exchanging emails in recent days regarding their deal and that, "it was time for Pat to get out his wallet." CONTINUED BELOW Progress for ZA001 As the 787 continues on its path to power-on vital assembly milestones are being accomplished in Everett. According to a program source close to work being completed on Dreamliner One, the aircraft has recently received its flight deck, including its five 15-inch liquid crystal displays, electronic flight bags, overhead panel, and bulkhead. The source added that the flight deck was, "basically complete minus the chairs." When discussing the 787 flight deck completion, a veteran Boeing engineer jokingly speculated the seats might not be entirely necessary, telling FlightBlogger that, "Company folklore has it that when the 727 made its first flight, the pilots were basically sitting on milk crates." Adding that it's, "Probably an urban legend." As work toward power-on progresses, continuity testing of the electrical current return network is now underway in Everett on Dreamliner One's electrical system. The goal is to ensure the 60 miles of wiring is properly connected before activating power for the first time. Flipping the Switch When power-on testing gets under way, the cold and dark flight deck will come alive when the battery switch on the left side of the overhead panel is pressed for the first time. This moment, in essence, is the first beat of the aircraft's heart. Once that switch is pressed the 787s onboard bus power units will come online, allowing a checkout process for the overall status of the aircraft. Initially, the minimum amount of flight deck displays will be illuminated to diagnose the health of the aircraft. The aircraft's circuit breakers will almost all be open at the time power is first applied, then closed one system at a time to validate the flow of electricity across the aircraft before moving to the next. Shanahan detailed the importance of these first steps for power-on during his mid-May media briefing. "We'll have a good understanding of how well we've done systems integration and it's really at that point we understand what kind of airplane we have and a bunch of risk gets retired. "So, if you called up July first and said, "Pat, how's it going? What do you know about this airplane?" I'll know significant amount more about the airplane and our ability to meet schedule on July first. We'll have taken all our work in the lab and put it in one airplane, so it's a big deal for us." JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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loracle
Inscrit le 28/07/2006 |
# 9 juin 2008 13:42 | |
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Le premier vol se confirme : Dreamliner : Boeing affirme être dans les temps (Easybourse.com) Boeing confirme aujourd’hui que le B787 ‘Dreamliner’, son best-seller qui compte déjà 900 commandes, effectuera son premier fol au quatrième trimestre 2008 comme annoncé en avril dernier. L’avionneur américain Boeing confirme aujourd’hui la date du premier vol de son B787 ‘Dreamliner’, qui avait été repoussée, en avril dernier, au quatrième trimestre 2008. Le concurrent d’Airbus assure également que les premières livraisons étaient toujours prévues pour le troisième trimestre 2009, comme promis. «Il n’y a pas de changement dans le calendrier du 787 que nous avons annoncé en avril (…). Le premier vol devrait avoir lieu au quatrième trimestre de 2008, et la première livraison durant le troisième trimestre de 2009», a déclaré un porte-parole. Une clarification qui intervient après que Mike Bair, un vice-président du groupe, ait déclaré dimanche que l’appareil prendrait son envol ‘à la fin de l’été’. Cet avion, qui devrait être particulièrement économe en matière de carburant, a décroché des records de vente avant sa sortie, avec près de 900 commandes fermes. Certains analystes voient dans cet appareil le futur de la compagnie américaine, à l’heure où les prix du pétrole atteignent des sommets et où le coût du carburant est la principale source d'inquiétude des compagnies aériennes. |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 9 juin 2008 14:59 | |
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Bonjour Mike Bair .... je l'avais vu en Anglais ... dans un congrés ou une assemblée ...... il confirme ... c'est bien !! Peut être pas la meilleure personne pour en parler !! C'est un peu comme envoyer Louis Gallois commenter les retards du 380 !! Attendre le power on quand même ... et la revue de détails avant le 1° vol, avant de danser sur la table !! Mais ilsfaut reconnaître que le gros des pépins (De la 1ére vague) Semble derrière eux ... Un an aprés ils ont enfin tous les morceaux ... Mike Bair, il y à un an, il savait pas qu'il manquait qq pieces pour le power on et pour voler ?? Et Dupont !! Aprés le cinéma Hollywoodien du marketing ... et 930 cdes à la clé .... c'est au moins la preuve que les cies sont attachées aux écos de conso !! Pour Loracle ... c'est mieux avec la source ... et/ou la date !! JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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checklist
Inscrit le 02/12/2007 |
# 9 juin 2008 20:07 | |
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"Cet avion, qui devrait être particulièrement économe en matière de carburant, a décroché des records de vente avant sa sortie, avec près de 900 commandes fermes. Certains analystes voient dans cet appareil le futur de la compagnie américaine, à l’heure où les prix du pétrole atteignent des sommets et où le coût du carburant est la principale source d'inquiétude des compagnies aériennes." Vrai que Boeing a quand meêm une certaine avance sur son concurent ... Heureusement pour Airbus mais malheureusement pour les compagnies aériennes que le Dreamliner est en retard ! ... On voit le bout du tunnel maintenant, Power one et ensuite le 1èr vol, je penses que beaucoup vont vouloir apprécier ça ... Allez encore un peu de patience ... _________________ Qui pêche par orgueuil, cour à sa perte ... |
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vrausch
Inscrit le 15/02/2007 |
# 11 juin 2008 16:06 | |
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Boeing prend 50% de Global Aeronautica. Boeing annonce avoir finalisé un accord en vue de faire l'acquisition de 50% des parts de Global Aeronautica, un sous-traitant dans le cadre de son programme de nouvelle génération, le 787 Dreamliner. Le géant aéronautique américain - qui a fait l'acquisition de sa participation auprès de Vought Aircraft - détiendra désormais Global Aeronautica à parité avec Alenia North America, une filiale de l'italien Finmeccanica. Les termes financiers de l'accord n'ont pas été dévoilés. Basé en caroline du Sud, Global Aeronautica est chargé du sous-assemblage du fuselage du 787. http://www.boursorama.com/infos/actuali ... ws=5593899 |
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sevrien
Inscrit le 08/08/2006 |
# 11 juin 2008 17:38 | |
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Avance ? Oui, mais dans la création de provisons pour compensations, aussi ! Combien de US$ milliards à provisionner? Combien d'avions à livrer et à facturer, avant d'arriver au "break-even point" ? |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 11 juin 2008 20:51 | |
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Bonsoir Le power on 787 peut être demain (Dans le Buzz) on verra !! Une explication de Vought sur la prise de contrôle Boeing ... -------- L'article -------------------------- http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/b ... ght11.html Vought chief Elmer Doty explains why company pulled out of part of Boeing's 787 program By Dominic Gates Seattle Times aerospace reporter Vought Chief Executive Elmer Doty Vought Chief Executive Elmer Doty said today that his company pulled out of one part of Boeing's 787 Dreamliner program because it didn't have direct management control over other suppliers. And pointing to the progress made this year at the 787 rear fuselage assembly plant in Charleston, S.C., he reiterated Vought's continued commitment to Boeing's crucial new jet. Doty compared the complicated supply chain that must deliver parts for a new jet to a relay race where each member of the team must run in sequence. "A year ago, definitely we were at the back of the pack," Doty said. "We've moved to the middle of the pack, and we're moving up. The thing about this race is, it only counts when everyone gets across the finish line." Vought makes the 787's rear fuselage in its own plant in Charleston and will continue to do so. But Boeing announced today that it has completed the acquisition of Vought's half share in Global Aeronautica (GA), which assembles the mid-fuselage of the 787 Dreamliner in a second factory on the Charleston site. Boeing did not disclose what it paid Vought for the ownership stake, which leaves Boeing and Alenia of Italy as 50-50 partners in the joint venture. Tuesday in Charleston, Bob Noble, vice president in charge of Boeing's 787 supply chain, insisted to skeptical journalists that Boeing hadn't bought Vought out because GA wasn't working well. "It was not performance-related," said Noble. Enzo Caiazzo, GA's chairman and also chief operating officer of Alenia North America, went further and insisted that Vought's four-year participation in GA could not be considered a failure because it had created a state-of-the-art airplane manufacturing plant on a previously empty site. "Five years ago, nothing was here," Caiazzo said. Speaking in a phone interview from Vought headquarters in Dallas, Texas, Doty gave his take on why it happened. Doty said Vought's role in the GA venture became problematic when the supply chain broke down and work supposed to have been completed at other major suppliers traveled to Charleston for GA to finish. GA takes in large sections from Alenia as well as from Fuji and Kawasaki in Japan and integrates them with a lot of Boeing-furnished parts. The problem was that Vought had no control over the procurement of those large pieces, Doty said. Boeing, as the prime contractor, was responsible for managing those major partners. "To manage the traveled work efficiently, you need that responsibility," Doty said. Though the half share in GA accounted for less than 10 percent of Vought's 787 program revenue, he said, "It was a huge distraction and difficult to execute" because GA lacked that partner oversight role. "That is best done by the prime," Doty said. After discussions with the 787 leadership team, Boeing agreed. Yet Doty said Vought's commitment to the program remains firm, despite that pullback and the 787 schedule delays that mean reduced revenue near term. Initial customer payments won't begin to flow until at least 14 months later than originally planned and after that more slowly than anticipated as Boeing holds down the new jet's delivery rate. Boeing paid Vought a cash advance of $122 million in March as partial restitution for that loss of cash flow. Further payments are being discussed. A person familiar with the negotiations said Doty played hardball with Boeing, insisting that the company wouldn't continue to build parts — grinding the whole 787 supply chain relay race to a halt — unless Vought got paid. In the interview today, Doty would say only: "It's a negotiation. Boeing is my biggest customer." With sales of the Dreamliner sky high, the program will likely deliver big profits in time. But with revenue flow pushed out, for now all the suppliers are hurting as they continue to spend big. Struggling financially, Vought secured $200 million in loans in the first quarter. "Of course, it's a good idea to be on the program," Doty said. "You're talking to someone who just arranged to take out additional debt and worked hard to find ways to finance this program." The money from the GA sale will help, too. Longer term, private equity firm the Carlyle Group, which owns Vought, is looking to sell the company. Possible buyers include Spirit AeroSystems of Wichita, Kan., or conceivably Boeing itself. Doty said he couldn't comment on prospective buyers. "We were for sale the day I walked in," said Doty, who became CEO in February 2006. "My job is to continue to build." Bon Carlyle égal à lui même qq part !! JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 11 juin 2008 21:10 | |
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Bonsoir Et aussi ... Ca commence enfin à avancer !! ----------------- Extrait -------------------- http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/b ... ton11.html Boeing expertise speeding up 787 partners By Dominic Gates Seattle Times aerospace reporter Vought workers begin adding the infrastructure Tuesday to a piece of fuselage recently "cooked" in the facility's autoclave. At the heavily automated factory, carbon-fiber placement machines lay ¼-inch strands on a rotating mold to create the fuselage structure as a single piece. Enlarge this photo BRAD NETTLES / CHARLESTON POST AND COURIER Vought workers begin adding the infrastructure Tuesday to a piece of fuselage recently "cooked" in the facility's autoclave. At the heavily automated factory, carbon-fiber placement machines lay ¼-inch strands on a rotating mold to create the fuselage structure as a single piece. Global Aeronautica workers check their plans as they install bundles of wires under the floor of the 787 fuselage. Big fuselage sections come in from Italy and Japan to the factory. Enlarge this photo BRAD NETTLES / CHARLESTON POST AND COURIER Global Aeronautica workers check their plans as they install bundles of wires under the floor of the 787 fuselage. Big fuselage sections come in from Italy and Japan to the factory. Related * Vought chief Elmer Doty explains why company pulled out of part of Boeing's 787 program * Gallery | Inside Boeing's Dreamlifter CHARLESTON, S.C. — The two factories planted here to build big Boeing 787 Dreamliner fuselage sections began as a disastrous experience in outsourcing. Their incomplete work played a large part in the snafus that snarled the final assembly line in Everett and has delayed the 787's first flight by 14 months. But as mechanics at one of the Charleston factories put finishing touches Tuesday to the fuselage of Dreamliner No. 4, there was clear evidence the crucial jet program is recovering and can finally meet its much-revised assembly schedule. Boeing and ex-Boeing managers are calling the shots and leading the turnaround at the twin Charleston plants. JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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