Boeing 787 (2)
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 27 septembre 2008 14:27 | |
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Bonjour ANA du 25/9, vu par AP relayé par le IHT !!! Complément au poste de Sévrien ! Optimistes chez ANA ! Pour moi, ils sont décalés de 3-6 Mois .... A moins que Boeing ait fait appel à Oudini, dixit a.net ! Pour faire disparaître grève et retards accumulés d'un coup de baguette magique !! Leur (ANA) échelonnement de livraisons, paraît bien privilégié, par rapport à d'autres comme ... Qantas ou les Chinois, par exemple ! Une prime aux clients les plus "Sages" qui ne commandent pas Airbus ?? Geoff Dixon appréciera ! Bon peut être du charabia d'agences ... ou une déclaration "Politique" de ANA ! --------------- Extrait -------------------- http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/ ... ng-ANA.php ANA says Boeing's 787 to arrive August 2009 The Associated Press Published: September 25, 2008 TOKYO: Japan's All Nippon Airways said Thursday it agreed with Boeing Co. the delayed 787 jet will be delivered August next year, more than a year behind schedule. All Nippon Airways Co. has grumbled about the delays in the 787 next-generation jet, which has been postponed three times and by nearly two years from the original schedule. ANA said to make up for the delay, it will introduce nine 767-300ER, a midsize aircraft ANA already uses for fiscal years 2010 and 2011 ending March 2012. ANA did not give terms of the deal but said it had negotiated a good price with Boeing on the 767-300 ER. Tokyo-based ANA, scheduled to be the first customer for the 787, had initially expected the first delivery for May this year. But the jet has been hampered by supply chain glitches. A strike at Boeing, involving electricians, mechanics, painters and other hourly workers, which began Sept. 6, has shut down production of Boeing jetliners, including the new 787. ANA's order for 50 787 jets is unchanged, but 6 jets will be delivered a year until 2017, not the initial 7 a year until 2015, the carrier said _________________ JPRS |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 27 septembre 2008 20:18 | |
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Bonsoir Commentaire de Jammes Wallace du Seattle PI concernant surtout ANA ! Bon, a part l'optimisme officiel d'ANA, ici aussi remarqué ! On peut noter que les 787-3 n'ont pas été encore mis au placard !! De mon côté, je pense que les 767 commandés sous on ne sait pas trop quelles conditions, vont à mon avis pas mal servir pour les lignes intérieures, et l'orient ... on ne sait pas trop comment les japs vont faire avec le very long haul ... que les 787 apportaient ! A part cela, le 767 se place et s'achète gentillement son année de sursis de production, aux dépends desindemnisations du 787, et restera "On line" pour la prochaine offre "Tankers" ------Extraits, aprés l'article principal Updated 5PM -------- http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/aerospace/ In addition to the nine new orders for the 767, Boeing won orders for four 777s and 11 737s, one of which is a business jet. Boeing now has 612 orders in 2008. It trails Airbus, however, and appears unlikely to overtake its rival before the end of the year. Boeing beat Airbus in orders in 2007 for the first time since 2000. As of Thursday, Boeing had a backlog of 55 767s that have not yet been built or delivered. The number includes the latest nine listed for the unidentified customer. One option that has been discussed is for Boeing to build new 767s and then lease them to 787 customers. Later, when the 787s arrive, Boeing would take back the 767s. It could sell or lease the planes to other customers or convert some of the 767s to freighters, where market demand is stronger. The 787 is some 14 months behind schedule, mainly because Boeing's global partners fell behind with the new production system being used for the Dreamliner. Rather than focusing on final assembly, the delays have meant Boeing workers at the Everett plant must complete the work that should have been done by the partners. First flight of the Dreamliner was originally set for late August or September of last year. After a series of delays, however, Boeing has been saying it would be abel to get that first flight accomplished by the end of this year. Buth this was before the Machinists union struck the company on Sept. 6. The strike, which enters its third week Saturday with no talks in the works, has shut down Boeing's jetliner production and may push first flight of the 787 into at leats early 2009. All Nippon Airways said Thursday its first Dreamliner will be delivered in August of next year. The timing of the airline's announcement is curious, given the Boeing strike. A delay in first flight will mean delays in the 787 flight test schedule and eventual certification of the Dreamliner. And the strike, depending on how long it goes, could effect Boeing's plans to deliver 25 787s by the end of 2009, including that first plane to ANA. Boeing will continue to build 787s for customers once it has completed work on the six test flight panes. But it would have to make modifications to any customer planes before delivery, depending on what problems are found during the test flight program. An ANA spokesman could not explain why the airline is confident it will get its first Dreamliner in August despite the on-going strike. The 787 will eventually replace the 767. Boeing needs additional 767 orders to keep that production line running once the remaining planes on order have been built. Workers are building only one 767 a month but that rate is expected to double by next year. Still pending is a possible deal to supply the Air Force with 767 tankers. Boeing lost that tanker competition earlier this year to a team of Northrop and EADS, the parent of Airbus. But the competition will be redone next year, once a new president and administration takes over. Boeing has won 11 firm orders for its 767 this year. The other two planes were ordered by Azerbaijan Airlines as part of a compensation package that Boeing negotiated with the airline to make up for the 787 delays. Although the 787 program is only about 14 months behind schedule, some of the planes will be up to three years late. All Nippon Airways, the first 787 customer, has 50 Dreamliners on order, including 30 of the short-haul 787-3. Boeing recently decided to postpone development of the 787-3 until it has finished a larger derivative, the 787-9, in 2012. The 787-3 would then follow, unless Boeing decides not to go forward with its development. All Nippon Airways and Japan Airlines are the only customers for the 787-3, but they are counting on the plane to expand domestic routes. JAL has ordered 13 of the 787-3 models, along with 22 787-8. The ANA spokesman said the airline has not changed its mix of 787s and is sticking with its initial order, including the 30 787-3s JPRS _________________ JPRS |
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xmadflyer
Inscrit le 02/03/2008 |
# 27 septembre 2008 20:36 | |
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Bonjour, merci ! Oui, le 787-3 n'est pas le -10, mais comme foutage de g... Good deal pour ce bon 767, et B qui marche sur trois pattes avec les Tankers ( donnez nous le temps, sinon...!) " the 787 program is only about 14 months behind schedule" Comme c'est beau, à pleurer, j'engage comme intermitant du spectacle !!! Bon, j'aimerais pas bosser chez B en ce moment... " An ANA spokesman could not explain why the airline is confident it will get its first Dreamliner in August despite the on-going strike." Ah bon ???? Politesse japonaise ou Wallace ( tout le monde ) aurait loupé qq chose... |
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lequebecois
Inscrit le 11/02/2007 |
# 28 septembre 2008 02:56 | |
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Le premier des trois test statique devant être réussi avant le premier vol est complété. Les test de pressurisation ont été réussi (14.9 psi) http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/200 ... 7a_nr.html (Message édité par lequebecois le 28/09/2008 02h57) _________________ Le bonheur est une pause entre deux emmerdes ! Adepte de la discutaille du coin du comptoir du café de la gare |
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sevrien
Inscrit le 08/08/2006 |
# 28 septembre 2008 09:57 | |
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Bonjour, chers tous. Pour ceux que cela intéresse. Vous trouverez sur le Forum, il y a deux ans environ, ..... -- quand dupont & Co. et les BCL étaient en plein délire sur leur B787 & l'inondation imminente du marché par cette famille d'appareils, ... -- ...nos posts indiquant que, en attendant que Boeing résolve les problèmes frappant le fuselage des B787, cet avionneur devrait offrir rapidement, à desd prix fiortmlent réduits, un certain nombre de B767 (-300ER, par exemple), comme "stop-gap solution". "What goes around comes around ! " -------------------------------- Lien : http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/ ... ner26.html Last updated September 25, 2008 8:58 p.m. PT Boeing sees fresh orders for its 767s Planes will sub for delayed Dreamliner By JAMES WALLACE P-I AEROSPACE REPORTER Even if it never builds 767 tankers for the Air Force, The Boeing Co. is finally seeing fresh orders for that plane -- from 787 customers whose Dreamliners are late. Among 24 new jetliner orders that Boeing announced Thursday were nine 767s from an unidentified customer. And that doesn't include nine more 767s that All Nippon Airways of Japan announced it will buy to sub for some of its late 787s. Intéressant ! Elmer ? ----------------------------------------- Boeing would not comment, but sources said the nine planes for the unidentified customer are 767-300ER passenger models for Japan Airlines, which has ordered 35 787s. Possible, ... voire probable. -------------------------------------- ANA, the launch customer for the 787, said Thursday its board had decided to order nine 767-300ERs to help it with lift capacity ("PUC") because the 50 Dreamliners it has ordered will be 14 to 36 months late. Et 14 mois est un paramètre qui ne tient pas compte des impacts de la grève actuelle ! --------------------- The JAL and ANA 767s are part of a compensation deal that Boeing and the airlines have been working on for several months. Boeing is expected to end up paying several billion dollars in late penalty fees to the more than 50 customers who have ordered some 900 Dreamliners. But those penalty payments are likely to include, where possible, cut-rate deals on other jets like the 767. Et que dupont ne cherche pas à nous expliquer que ceci aura un impact financier nul sur les résultats ! dupont et ses notions de comptabilité et de finances !  ------------------------ Sources said Boeing will add more 767s to its order book in the coming months as additional deals are reached with 787 customers. Inévitable ! ------------------------------ Airbus is also hoping to sell its A330 to some of those 787 customers. Comme cela est déjà, de fait, le cas pour Qantas ! Suivez mon idée ! --------------------------- etc. etc.................. ..................... All Nippon Airways said its first Dreamliner will be delivered in August of next year. The timing of the airline's announcement on Thursday is curious, given the Boeing strike. A delay in first flight will trigger delays in the 787 flight test schedule. And eventually the strike, depending on how long it lasts, could affect Boeing's plans to deliver 25 787s by the end of 2009. Boeing will continue to build 787s for customers once it has completed work on the six test flight planes. But it would have to make modifications to any customer planes before delivery, depending on what problems are found during the test flight program. Des modirication s seront nécessaires, de toutes façons ! ------------------------------ An ANA spokesman could not explain why the airline is confident it will get its first Dreamliner in August despite the ongoing strike. Système DPO ! Pas de prise en compte des faits et réalités ! Mais, .... ça viendra ! --------- In other Boeing news, Goldman Sachs lowered its target price for Boeing's stock Thursday because of the ongoing credit crisis, which means Boeing may have to finance more planes. "We believe that the amount of funding from traditional aircraft financing sources is shrinking and that Boeing's customers may face near-term challenges financing aircraft purchases," Goldman analyst Richard Safran wrote in a note to investors. --------------------- Ceci fait l'écho des remarques de Jim McNERNEY, il y a quelques jours ! (Message édité par sevrien le 29/09/2008 13h43) |
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kaysersoeze
Inscrit le 24/08/2007 |
# 28 septembre 2008 10:25 | |
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j'aime bien me souvenir de la course pour pouvoir avoir le 787 ou le 380 prêts pour les JO de peking, avec vol commercial vers la capital chinoise... finalement, dans 2 mois on aura oublié qu'il y a eu les jeux a Peking et on attend toujours le 1er vol du 787 c'était bien la peine de se dépêcher !!! |
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cacahuette
Inscrit le 26/11/2007 |
# 28 septembre 2008 11:00 | |
Il sera bon pour les JO de 2012  |
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alain57
Inscrit le 08/03/2008 |
# 28 septembre 2008 14:00 | |
| si il ne se brise pas en deux pendant les essais...!!!!!! | ||
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pascal83
Inscrit le 18/07/2007 |
# 28 septembre 2008 14:22 | |
l'A380 surement pour le 787 je doute  |
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Albatros
Inscrit le 18/01/2008 |
# 28 septembre 2008 17:53 | |
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Comme quoi peanut &pascal83 et bien d'autres ... il avance! quand je lis vos commentaires ... y a pas beaucoup d'ingénieurs ici..tout au plus des grandes G... merci aux fournisseurs Français pour leur dévouement EVERETT, Wash., Sept. 27, 2008 -- Boeing [NYSE:BA] successfully completed a high-pressure test, known as "high blow," on the 787 Dreamliner static test airframe at its Everett factory today. The test is one of three static tests that must be cleared prior to first flight. During the test, the airframe reached an internal pressure of 150 percent of the maximum levels expected to be seen in service - 14.9 lbs. per square inch (1.05 kilograms per centimeter) gauge (psig). It took nearly two hours to complete the test, as pressure was slowly increased to ensure the integrity of the airplane. "We had every confidence going into this test because of the extensive work we've done on larger and larger pieces of composite - from small coupons to fuselage sections," said Pat Shanahan, vice president and general manager of the 787 program. "Still, it's very rewarding to see a whole airplane being tested and having the results we expected. "I am so proud of the team that has worked on this program and the progress we are making." |
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sevrien
Inscrit le 08/08/2006 |
# 28 septembre 2008 18:08 | |
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Monsieur SHANAHAN est un très bon ! Un excellent ! Un "no-nonsense, no-bullshit guy" ! Il réussira ! Ses résultats parleront ! Et bien ! D'ailleurs, les retards qui s'accumulent, vont, sans doute, permettre d'éliminer une partie importante du surpoids (fuselage), dans 'le cours à peu près normal des choses', sans les coûts trop exagérés des programmes "cure d'amaigrissement "(portant sur 4,000lbs, environ) et de "weight rip-out" (portant sur 10,000lbs, environ ), soit 6,4 tonnes en tout ! En prenant appui sur ce qu'avait écrit Oberwald, sur ce Forum, Boeing est, peut-être en train de mettre à profit le délai incomprssible de 2 ans (selon Oberwald), pour valider la définition améliorée du matériau, et le 'process' de "fibre placement" / 'nappage' ! On peut l'espérer ! (Message édité par sevrien le 28/09/2008 18h22) |
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kaysersoeze
Inscrit le 24/08/2007 |
# 28 septembre 2008 18:15 | |
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J'ose espere que les tests statiques et en vol se passeront bien. de toute maniere, pour moi, le moment de vérité sera la mise en service du 787 pour 2 raisons - la resistance des composites a l'endommagement / fatigue dans un environnement reel (humidités, rayonnement UV, grêle, etc..) - et comment les endommagements seront réparés sans compromettre l'exploitation de l'avion Des surprises (donc mauvaises..) dans ces 2 domaines ne sont pas exclues. |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 28 septembre 2008 18:16 | |
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On peut aussi penser que Airbus, avec l'A 350, l'avait qq peu anticipé ! Sévrien !! Des générations qui pourraient se rejoindre ! Bien obligé pour Boeing, .... pour s'en sortir aprés coup ! Et ... bien anticipé par Airbus, pour s'en sortir à terme aussi !! JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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Albatros
Inscrit le 18/01/2008 |
# 28 septembre 2008 18:48 | |
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Les avions militaires utilisent les composites depuis bien longtemps (F16..etc) donc on ne devait pas avoir des surprises en vol. Ce qui est le plus dangereux ce sont tous les 3/4 cinglés qui tournent autour de l'avion...surtout les chargeurs de palettes. Pour le reste il y a échange d'infos entre airbus et boeing ...via les fournisseurs en commun Maintenant j'ai l'impression qu'on prend boeing pour des amateurs on est en 2008 pas en 1930 messieurs |
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alain57
Inscrit le 08/03/2008 |
# 28 septembre 2008 19:07 | |
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ne pas confondre un f16 ou rafale avec un 787 ...!!!! un avion de chasse et construit pour resisté a un nombre de G important, ce n'est pas le cas d'un avion comme le 787........ un avion de chasse, et petit, renforcé, avec une cellule tres solide pour resisté a la charge militaire et aux manoeuvres extremes (d'ailleurs limité par la resistance physique du pilote) ..rien a voir avec un monstre (en taille) comme le 787...... il faut comparé ce qui et comparable... de plus boeing, meme en 1930 ne c'est jamais comporté comme des amateurs, voir (exemple) le B17..B29 etc et autres avions concus avant et apres WW2. |
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