Appel d'offre des ravitailleurs de l'USAF
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sevrien
Inscrit le 08/08/2006 |
# 28 mars 2008 01:20 | |
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Contrairement à ce que les BCL, "Politiques" et 'idéoloques" peuvent penser, l'uSAF est plus que fondée à contester le "Boeing protest on Tanker deal". Il s'agit d'une question hautemenet juridique, et je ne vais pas perde mon teps à expliciter l'affaire sur ce Forum. Mias cela vaut la peine de dire aux dupont et BCL, de ce monde, de bien noter que : -- c'est une certaine faune de Boeing qui a réagi comme dans un "knee-jerk reflex movement" devant cette décision de l'USAF,.... -- et non pas les avocats de Boeing, censés protéger / préserver les intérêts de BOEING ! Eux ont gardé le silence ! Et pour cause ! Published & Last updated: March 27 2008 21:40 The US Air Force is contesting the protest by Boeing over the decision to award EADS, its European rival, a $35bn deal to supply the military with refuelling tankers. ...... The air force said on Thursday it had filed a motion with the GAO calling for a “partial dismissal of the Boeing protest”. The air force has declined to say which part of the Boeing protest it wanted the GAO to dismiss. Northrop Grumman – the prime contractor for the deal to supply the tanker made by Airbus, the EADS subsidiary – also asked the GAO to dismiss the protest. Démarche rare et importante, .... significative ! Boeing alleges that the air force did not make clear that it wanted a tanker as large as the A330 aircraft offered by EADS. The US aerospace and defence group said it could have offered the 777 jet instead of the smaller 767, which it had put forward in the competition. Faux ! Pour les raisons que nous avons déjà amplement indiquées ! Quelle farce ! ---------------------- (Message édité par sevrien le 28/03/2008 04h22) |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 28 mars 2008 22:36 | |
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Bonsoir La même, de l'AFP, et en Français, pour faire plaisir à Sévrien !! Ravitailleurs: Northrop et l'armée US demandent le rejet de la plainte de Boeing Il y a 1 jour NEW YORK (AFP) — Le groupe Northrop Grummann et l'armée de l'air américaine ont demandé mercredi au gouvernement américain de rejeter la plainte de Boeing contestant l'attribution du méga-contrat des avions ravitailleurs à Northrop et à l'européen EADS, a rapporté mercredi soir la presse américaine. Le 29 février dernier, l'armée de l'air américaine (US Air Force) a choisi EADS et Northrop pour fournir 179 avions ravitailleurs, dans un contrat de 35 milliards de dollars, l'un des plus gros contrats octroyés par l'armée ces dernières années. Le 11 mars, leur rival malheureux, le constructeur aéronautique Boeing, a déposé un recours auprès de la Cour des comptes américaine, contestant l'attribution du contrat au titre "d'irrégularités dans le déroulement de la compétition et dans l'évaluation des offres concurrentes". Ce recours a suspendu le contrat et le Government Accountability Office (GAO), l'organisme compétent pour étudier les plaintes d'entreprises évincées de marchés publics, doit se prononcer d'ici le 19 juin. Dans deux déclarations distinctes citées mercredi par le Wall Street Journal, l'armée de l'air et Northrop ont demandé au GAO de rejeter la plainte de Boeing. Northrop a notamment estimé que beaucoup des plaintes de Boeing concernaient les conditions définissant le contrat, et auraient dû être mises en avant avant que Boeing ne soumette son offre. JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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freddu56
Inscrit le 19/01/2008 |
# 29 mars 2008 13:16 | |
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boeing est vraiment tombé très bas en se conduisant comme ça !! _________________ vive l' armée française |
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xmadflyer
Inscrit le 02/03/2008 |
# 2 avril 2008 13:40 | |
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Bonjour, Reuters repris par L’Usine Nouvelle http://www.usinenouvelle.com/article/le ... ard.135169 Boeing a contesté cette décision dès le 11 mars, jugeant que le processus de ce marché public était "criblé d'irrégularités sans nombre". L'Armée de l'Air a fourni suffisamment d'éléments pour démontrer que les arguments avancés par Boeing ne sont justifiés ni sur le fond ni sur la forme et qu'ils ont été déposés hors des délais prévus", ajoutent les avocats de l'US Air Force. "C'est pourquoi, les arguments invoqués ci-dessus doivent être écartés immédiatement afin de faciliter un règlement efficace des autres questions en suspens." Ecartés de la liste des récriminations fournies au GAO. On peut se demander si, à terme, l'attitude de Boeing ne risque pas d'être contre-productive...pour Boeing ! (Message édité par xmadflyer le 02/04/2008 13h49) |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 2 avril 2008 14:24 | |
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Bonjour Pas rancuniers les militaires .. http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/othe ... %5E1613352 The Department of Defense awarded Boeing Co. and partner Bell Helicopter a five-year, $10.4 billion contract to make 167 V-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft. The contract includes 26 CV-22 aircraft for the Air Force Special Operations Command and 141 MV-22 aircraft for the U.S. Marine Corps. The contract includes an option for additional aircraft. JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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cacahuette
Inscrit le 26/11/2007 |
# 2 avril 2008 15:55 | |
| Oui Beochien j'ai lu cette info aussi (je ne sais plus où). Que Boeing fasse gaffe tout de même de ne pas trop chatouiller un client. Commercialement parlé cela ne se fait pas ! | ||
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 3 avril 2008 11:01 | |
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Bonjour Northrop denied de sa réclamation, USAF aussi, mais Boeing aurait revu sa proteste à la baisse ! Northrop tanker motion denied - Updated Jams Wallace du Seattle PI ! http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/aero ... 135639.asp --------------------Extrait Northrop just announced that the Government Accountability Office has denied motions filed by it and the Air Force calling for a partial dismissal of Boeing's protest of the tanker decsion. Northrop says the denial of its motion came "after a supplemental filing by Boeing Corporation that streamlined its original protest and eliminated many of the elements that were central to the Air Force and Northrop Grumman motions.'' JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 4 avril 2008 09:53 | |
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Bonjour Le feuilleton suite, sur le Seattle PI avec JW .. des chiffres invraisemblables, du n'importe quoi ... pour ceux qui ont encore du courage pour suivre cette histoire ! Visiblement le A330 à été choisi car c'était le plus mauvais !!!  ----------------- Introduction ! New salvos fired in tanker dispute Another day, and more exchanges between Boeing and Northrop on the tanker controversy. Boeing on Thursday said the Air Force had found, in its evaluation, fewer weakness with the 767 than with the KC-30 tanker offered by Northrop and EADS. The Air Force review identified 98 strengths and only one weakness with the 767, according to Boeing. That same Air Force review found only 30 strengths but five weakness for the KC-30, according to Boeing. After Boeing issued a press release, and its tanker boss, Mark McGraw held a teleconference with media, Northrop quickly responded. Northrop said "we continue to be surprised by the language being used by Boeing that suggests" the Air Force did not run a fair competition. Northrop also recently launched what it calls America's New Tanker website that it says is to "inform the general public about the facts" surrounding the Air Force decision to buy 179 tankers from Northrop and EADS and not from Boeing. http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/aero ... 135753.asp JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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pascal83
Inscrit le 18/07/2007 |
# 4 avril 2008 12:11 | |
| Début des travaux sur le KC-45A. | ||
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sevrien
Inscrit le 08/08/2006 |
# 4 avril 2008 21:01 | |
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Voici quelque chose de significatif à ce sujet ! Ceci va peser plus qu'on ne pense ! Et de diverses façons ! Lien : http://investing.businessweek.com/resea ... symbol=NOC Knight Ridder/Tribune 04/02/2008 2:03 PM ET Retired Officers Angry At Boeing [Tampa Tribune, Fla.] Recent NOC News U.S. signs over 96 acres of property to Nassau [Newsday, Melville, N.Y.] 04/04/2008 12:07 PM ET Apr. 2--WASHINGTON -- Nearly two dozen retired Air Force officers are lashing out at the Boeing Co. and its "special-interest clients" for what they describe as scurrilous attacks on the Air Force for awarding a $35 billion contract for new refueling tankers to another bidder. Bien ! Voilà quelques-uns qui osent se prononcer de manière "high profile" ! ------------------ In a letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates made public Tuesday, the 22 retired officers urged Gates to not let Boeing's attacks cause delays in replacing the tanker fleet. "Delays in the tanker program will only serve to put the lives of crews flying the aging systems in greater jeopardy," their letter warns. .................. The letter by the retired Air Force officers to Gates is part of broader public relations response to criticism of the tanker award and efforts to have it overturned. The letter is dated Monday, but was reproduced in a full-page ad Tuesday in The Washington Post. Boeing, in its protest to the GAO seeking a review of the contract selection, has alleged the competition with Northrop Grumman was "seriously flawed." "We have fundamental concerns with the Air Force's evaluation, ...... Some in Congress, including GOP Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida, disagree, said Martinez spokesman, Ken Lund- berg. Boeing "knew going in who it was competing against, and it was an open process," Lundberg said. "Now they want to challenge it after the fact." .............. According to the retired Air Force officer's letter to Gates, "the backbone of the current tanker fleet -- the KC-135s -- average 47 years of age and must be replaced as expeditiously as possible." Voilà ce qui fait mal à Boeing ! Qui a bénéficié des contrat d'entretien très lucratifs ? Boeing, bien sûr ! --------------------- "We, the undersigned, have devoted years of service and sacrifice to this great nation and the United States Air Force. Accordingly, we are very troubled by the vitriolic attack on the Air Force by those who disagree with the outcome of the KC-45 Tanker Competition," their letter states. The letter says the Air Force is being attacked by Boeing and its special-interest clients by: -- "Claiming our Air Force abandoned the interests of America and the American people during the selection process." -- "Questioning the patriotism of the men and women of the Air Force." -- "Claiming there is a problem with manufacturing by not-to-be-trusted foreign nationals, when all military modifications made to the aircraft will be done by Northrop Grumman under the strict standards of the Air Force -- a fact Boeing supporters fully understand." ----------- Voilà un témoignage qui, aux USA aujourd'hui, ne peut pas être ignotré, ./... même par les Politiques ! John McCAIN doit boire du petit lait, en lisant cela ! |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 4 avril 2008 21:12 | |
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Bonsoir Merci Sévrien, bien vu ! Sans compter l'escadrille de généraux retired qui ont rejoint officiellement et quasi spontanémnt ... (hired quand même)  le lobby Northop, je l'ai vu passer en début de semaine !!JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 5 avril 2008 07:13 | |
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Bonjour 1 représentant démocrate romp les rangs et soutien Airbus, normal il est de l'Alabama ! Alabama's top Democrat breaks ranks to defend tanker contract Du Everett Herald / AP http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20080404/BIZ/906341932 Associated Press MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- Alabama's top Democrat has stepped up his defense of the Air Force's selection of Northrop Grumman and European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. for a refueling tanker contract that will create 2,000 jobs in Mobile. The stance by Lt. Gov. Jim Folsom Jr. puts him on the opposite side of some national Democrats who have criticized the contract. In a letter sent to the nation's other lieutenant governors Friday, Folsom wrote: "The announcement by the Speaker of the House that Congress would be investigating the award of the contract has created a whirlwind of media coverage. As a result, a vast amount of misinformation has been reported distorting the facts surrounding the award, and making any impartial evaluation of this situation problematic." Folsom spokesman Chip Hill said Folsom decided to write the letter after attending a national convention of lieutenant governors in Washington in mid-March and hearing much discussion and lots of misinformation about the contract. JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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sevrien
Inscrit le 08/08/2006 |
# 5 avril 2008 09:20 | |
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Vu ! Oui ! Mais cela est important, tout de même ! Cela montre qu'il est réaliste ! |
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sevrien
Inscrit le 08/08/2006 |
# 7 avril 2008 10:42 | |
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Voici le genre d'article qu'il faut aller chercher ! ------------ Lien : http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny- ... 6475.story Article + coùmmentaires. Boeing puts further LI defense bids in jeopardy BY JEROME REISMAN Jerome Reisman, an attorney practicing corporate law at Reisman Peirez & Reisman in Garden City, has represented small defense contractors on Long Island. April 7, 2008 The Boeing Company, the multinational defense-aerospace conglomerate, is looking to wrap its losing bid for a new U.S. Air Force tanker aircraft inside the American flag. By doing so, they harm themselves, the Long Island defense industry and, ultimately, our national security. Sans ambages ! ----------------------- Having lost a lengthy bidding process, Boeing has officially filed a protest with Washington, charging that the competition results were unfair, while its lobbyists are quietly insisting that the loss puts American jobs and our entire defense infrastructure at risk. It's the spin of a sullen loser. Oui ! -------------------- The Boeing Company that built the famous Flying Fortress of World War II and the B-52 of Cold War fame has been gone for decades. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Boeing swept up defense companies General Dynamics, McDonnell-Douglas and more, applying its name to designs conjured by others at a time when genuine competition brought out the best in American aviation. In the process, it became a huge, insular aerospace empire, which not only sought to dictate terms to the U.S. Department of Defense but whose actions resulted in the corruption trial and conviction of the chief Pentagon purchasing officer. Voilà les mots d'un homme rationnel, qui repose des arguments sur les faits, et non pas sur le blah-blah et les opinions hystériques et non étayées du Système par DPO ! Les adeptes du Forum peuvent apprendre encore ! ------------------- Northrop Grumman and EADS, a European consortium that manufactures the Airbus, won the Air Force's multibillion dollar contract recently because they offered a better airplane to the military and a better deal to the taxpayer. Ni plus , ni moins ! Et vlan ! ---------------------------- They also put in provisions that the bulk of the airframes would be manufactured in the United States along with the engines that will power them. For Boeing to now suggest American jobs will be lost while a significant amount of the subassemblies needed for their new airliner come from overseas makes them ripe with hypocrisy. Oui ! Not content to hide a mediocre tanker proposal behind the false front of American patriotism,.... Il y va fort ! J'ai l'impression de me lire, ... en mieux ! ...........Boeing is lashing out. It's launched a national ad campaign that questions, among other things, the effectiveness of the Northrop Grumman Hawkeye - the radar-packed aircraft designed to protect our aircraft carriers. Honteux effectivement ! ---------------- The Hawkeye is a significant contract for Northrop Grumman's Long Island campus. It puts over a half-billion dollars into our local economy, as thousands of Long Islanders work to integrate a very complex electronics package into a very small carrier plane. If Boeing's multimillion-dollar propaganda effort is successful and pushes the Pentagon to reduce its Hawkeye commitment, then our region - not to mention our nation's warships - will suffer. Boeing's angry response to its loss masks a far larger issue. It will also have the chilling effect of scaring off future consortiums based here, and throughout the nation, that seek to challenge Boeing for future Defense Department contracts. This one company seeks to dominate the nation's defense industry in a manner that is unprecedented, and Long Island is not a key part of its empire. Voilà quelques mots qui devraient faire réfléchir certains supporters "à la Forgeard" dans ses ambitions pour EADS, et la propoagande qu'il a servie par hot-line à Jacques CHIRAC ! (Pas de melange des genres ; je ne fais aucuine allusion à l'affaire de délit d'initiés ! ) ------------- There's now a dangerous imbalance in the competitive business forces, and it's allowing Boeing to bully Washington and the American taxpayer. It seems no longer to be about whether the best equipment is being supplied to our soldiers, sailors and airmen. It's about preserving a monopoly and thereby allowing mediocrity to be the standard by which our defense weapons are selected. Bien dit ! Effectivement, cela rejoint totaleùment mes remarques sur la médiocrité de la solution de la vieille plate-forme Boeing B767 ! Je n'ai aucune objection contre ces propos ! ------------------ There are historical lessons about indifferent American defense companies who thought "good enough" was good enough for those asked to defend our freedoms. Oui ! Une honte ! Et en Europe, hélas, ... il nous arrivera de prendre le même chemin, si nous ne faisons pas attention, .... dans certains cas ! ------------------ After Pearl Harbor, American pilots were forced to fly, and die, in Brewster Buffalos built by a firm whose fighter was outclassed in every way by the enemy. Ironically, it took Long Island's Grumman Aviation to provide a plane that made eventual victory possible: the Wildcat. Perhaps that would be a fitting name for the Air Force's new tanker. La "punch-line" n'est pas mal ! (Message édité par sevrien le 07/04/2008 10h43) |
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Beochien
Inscrit le 13/02/2007 |
# 14 avril 2008 09:44 | |
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Bonjour QQ extraits du Herald ... Michelle Dunlop c'est pas une amie d'Airbus !! http://www.heraldnet.com/article/200804 ... 1010/BIZ01 ---------- Article ! As Boeing backers urge Congress to withhold Air Force tanker funding, analysts say those efforts are futile. Earlier this week, two unions sent letters to Congress asking them to deny funding for aerial refueling tankers built by Northrop Grumman and EADS. The U.S. Air Force awarded the duo the $35 billion contract over the Boeing Co. on Feb. 29. Boeing has protested the Pentagon’s decision to the Government Accountability Office. The International Federation of Professional and Technical Engineers called upon the chairmen of defense subcommittees in both the U.S. House and Senate to block funding for the tanker in a letter sent this week. The head of the 725,000-member strong electrical workers union also sent a similar request. Despite support to overturn the Air Force’s decision, analysts, like the Teal Group’s Richard Aboulafia, say Northrop and EADS likely will keep the contract. Reports Reuters: “Despite the controversy and headaches ahead, we think this contract will stick,” Teal Group Vice President Richard Aboulafia wrote in the report about the Air Force's KC-45 tanker program. JSA Research’s Paul Nisbet had a similar take on the tanker contract. Nisbet believes presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., had much to do with keeping Northrop in the competition. “That tanker deal looks awfully political to me,” he said. Ultimately, Nisbet said, the Air Force’s choice came with the blessing of the White House. And not enough lawmakers in Congress care to reverse it. This morning, Boeing put out this release, highlighting the KC-767’s survivability compared to the KC-30s -------- Extrait de l'extrait, survavibilité, par Boeing Com ! http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/200 ... 1a_nr.html Boeing [NYSE: BA] today said the U.S. Air Force's decision to award a contract for the next aerial refueling airplane to the team of Northrop Grumman and the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company (EADS) is at odds with the fact that the Northrop/EADS team's KC-30 is less survivable and more vulnerable to attack than the Boeing KC-767 Advanced Tanker. The Air Force evaluation cited the Boeing offering to be more advantageous in the critical area of survivability. The evaluators found the KC-767 tanker had almost five times as many survivability discriminators as its competitor. ---------Et ... Major survivability discriminators for the Boeing KC-767 included: * More robust surface-to-air missile defense systems * Cockpit displays that improve situational awareness to enable flight crews to better see and assess the threat environment * Better Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) hardening -- the KC-767 is better able to operate in an EMP environment compared with the KC-30 * Automatic route planning/rerouting and steering cues to the flight crew to avoid threats once they are detected * Better armor-protection features for the flight crew and critical aircraft systems * Better fuel-tank-explosion protection features. Bon ... c'est Boeing qui le dit, on attends les réponses de NG !! JPRS Paris _________________ JPRS |
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